Lionel Paillès – An Interview With The Author Of Grasse: From Flower to Fragrance

Lionel Paillès

I’d been wanting to read another perfume book for a while. Even better, if it’s about a subject I’m more and more interested in – ingredients. And so when a copy of Grasse: From Flower to Fragrance by Lionel Paillès was sent to me, I was chuffed to say the least.

Lionel Paillès

Perfumery is about many things. But fundamentally it’s about the use of ingredients: whether naturals and/or synthetics, increasingly biotechnology.

Starting with the presence of the Swiss flavour and fragrance company dsm-firmenich in Grasse, the book, through meticulous research and brilliant photography, presents a picture of a firm, its perfumers, technicians and suppliers, at the forefront of research and science in the field of ingredients.

Lionel Paillès

Or should that be fields of ingredients? Although technology is central, it all starts with the suppliers and farmers in their fields of roses, lavender, jasmine, tuberose and mimosa in the heartland of French perfumery, Grasse.

While the book is very much about dsm-firmenich, it’s not a glorified sales pitch. Lionel Paillès is too much of a professional perfume writer to put his name on that sort of project.

“While the book is very much about dsm-firmenich, it’s not a glorified sales pitch.”

I had not heard of Lionel Paillès before receiving this book. The perfume critic, journalist and Fragrance Foundation judge is the author of titles such as Chanel: The Art of Creating Fragrance: Flowers of the French Riviera (Abrams, 2016) and Petit Lexique des amateurs épris d’odeurs et de parfums with Jean-Claude Ellena (Actes Sud, 2021).

Lionel Paillès

Some of the things I love about this book (apart from the teeny-weeny font size of captions – perhaps time for new glasses, Richard?):

+ The language of fragrances: an easy-to-understand glossary of terms from “absolute” and “biomass” to “supercritical fluid extraction (SPF)” and “upcycling”.

+ It emphasises the interconnection of science and nature and, in particular, the role of innovation in the process of fragrance creation.

+ While looking at many of the processes behind the scent scenes, it doesn’t lose sight of the alchemy and mystery in perfumery.

Lionel Paillès

Before I get to the interview with Lionel Paillès, some fast facts below for the perfume-geek lurking in all of us:

DID YOU KNOW?

+ Grasse was placed on Unesco’s Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity List in 2018 for its collective perfumery know-how.

+ Principal perfumer Fabrice Pellegrin and master perfumers Alberto Morillas, Nathalie Lorson, Olivier Cresp and Honorine Blanc are among the employees of dsm-firmenich.

+ These perfumers meet three times a year in Grasse at Villa Botanica, where Fabrice Pellegrin, the company’s director of Natural Product Research and Innovation, presents the latest innovations. It is these perfumers who approve each line of development one by one, after smelling, evaluating and comparing them to other ingredients on the market.

+ The centifolia rose is harvested by hand only, flower by flower, over a period of three to four weeks in the middle of the month of May. That’s why it is also known as the “May rose”.

Lionel Paillès

+ True lavender lends itself better to luxury perfume formulas. However, lavandin yields three times more essential oil than true lavender, which makes it particularly sought-after for “functional perfumery” (washing powder and liquid, soap, shower gel, shampoo).

+ A good jasmine picker harvests 600g to 800g of flowers per hour, which amounts to 6kg to 7kg of flowers in a day’s work.

+ Originally from Australia, mimosa (part of the acacia family), with its small, downy yellow flowers, was introduced to the south of France in the 19th century.

Source: Grasse: From Flower to Fragrance by Lionel Paillès.

Lionel Paillès

Tell me about your background and how you got into writing about perfumes.

I met Jean-Claude Ellena in 2010 during an article I wrote for L’Officiel Voyage magazine. I knew nothing about perfume, but his speech immediately fascinated me.  I decided to stop everything and train myself: learning raw materials and classic accords at the Cinquième Sens school, then with different perfumers (notably Jean-Christophe Hérault, picture below).   

Jean-Christophe Hérault

How long was this book in the making?

I wrote it between summer 2022 and summer 2023. We did six reports in Grasse in different seasons: spring, summer, autumn and winter.

Who initiated the project?

I knew the perfumer Fabrice Pellegrin (picture below), who became a friend, well. Ten years ago, he introduced me to dsm-firmenich’s extraordinary facilities in Grasse.  When he spoke to me in 2021 about the Villa Botanica project, I suggested that we take the opportunity to imagine a book around Grasse perfume plants and their transformation. A work which is aimed at both the general public and professionals in the perfume industry.

Fabrice Pellegrin

IMAGE: dsm-firmenich.

What do you want people to understand from reading the book?

A beautiful perfume plant is not an end in itself and that it is its transformation that gives it all its value. The art of the perfumer would be nothing without the science necessary to transform the plant into an ingredient.

“A beautiful perfume plant is not an end in itself. Its transformation gives it all its value.” – Lionel Paillès

Lionel Paillès

How would you rate your knowledge of perfume ingredients before writing the book?

I had bookish knowledge and I had participated in a rose harvest in Grasse. That is just about everything.  I learned everything by going to Grasse to the dsm-firmenich factories and meeting the passionate farmers who are partners of the Swiss company.

What stood out for you as the project progressed?

I discovered that the entire Grasse region lived to the rhythm of the same passion: that of perfume. I also understood how the time of perfume was an eminently long time.  If consumers knew how long it takes to mature a beautiful jasmine, transform it into an extract and make it the beating heart of a perfume, they would better understand the price of perfume.

Lionel Paillès

The book talks a lot about Grasse, the traditional heart of French perfumery. Is it possible for the region to regain its former glory?

Since the big brands (Louis Vuitton, Dior) moved there, signing partnership contracts with flower producers, Grasse has regained its aura. The know-how of Grasse has been classified as a Unesco Intangible Heritage: the cultivation of perfume plants, the transformation and creation of perfume. Nowhere else in the world is so much know-how concentrated in one place.

“Nowhere else in the world is so much know-how concentrated in one place.” – Lionel Paillès

The book features a cast of suppliers, farmers, technicians and perfumers. Did you get to meet all of them?

Yes, I had the chance to meet all the partners of dsm-firmenich. Those who produce the rose; those who produce jasmine (Alexandra Richard impressed me with her determination and passion), mimosa, violet or tuberose.

The Villa Botanica is a symbol of dsm-firmenich’s position in Grasse. What role does this house play in raising consumer awareness of the role of science in perfumery?

It is both a place of creation, where perfumers extract themselves from their daily life, and a place of education, where brands come to discover perfume plants and the know-how of extraction developed over decades by dsm-firmenich.

Lionel Paillès

Biotechnology increasingly appears to be the future of perfume ingredients. The Firgood process is particularly fascinating. What can you tell me about it?

This is a process that uses microwaves, like the oven in your kitchen. By heating the plant in an oven, the molecules heat up by rubbing together and release their olfactory particles.  All perfume houses are looking for extraction methods that do not use petrochemical solvents and which consume little energy and water. The Firgood addresses these two issues. In addition, it makes it possible to extract so-called “dumb” flowers, the natural extract of which did not exist until now.

Lionel Paillès

Why is there such a push for natural ingredients now?

Naturalness is a consumer requirement that has existed for around 10 years but has increased with Covid. I really like natural extracts: they bring richness and complexity to the perfume. They also allow us to tell beautiful stories of women and men: the farmers who have been cultivating these plants for decades and sometimes generations.

“Natural extracts allow us to tell stories of the farmers who have been cultivating these plants for decades.” – Lionel Paillès

Lionel Paillès

And what about synthetics?

The synthetic molecule is essential to perfume. It allows the perfume to stick to the skin and make it last long throughout the day.

The superb photography by Philippe Frisée in this book deserves a mention. How did you work with him?

We were in Grasse together on all the reports. Philippe did not have any specific knowledge of plants. It comes from fashion and brings a new and non-cliché look at the perfume plant.

Philippe Frisée

The idea was to work like I work in the press when I go reporting: by joining our eyes and discovering things together.

*Grasse: From Flower to Fragrance (Gallimard) by Lionel Paillès is available from selected bookstores.  

Fabrice Pellegrin Interview: “The Perfumer’s Role Is About Being Generous, Exchanging, Sharing And Transmitting Passion. Nothing More”

Fabrice Pellegrin

IMAGE: Firmenich.

Fabrice Pellegrin is one of the most accomplished perfumers of our time. Considering his expertise and achievements, he’s probably also the most unknown outside the industry, in that he truly prefers to be behind the scenes and let his creations speak for themselves.

Fabrice Pellegrin

IMAGE: Firmenich.

The list below of perfumes Fabrice Pellegrin has produced is just a snapshot but will give you an indication of his ingenuity:

+ Mugler Womanity EDP (2010)

+ Jo Malone Blackberry & Bay Cologne (2012)

+ Roberto Cavalli Just Cavalli EDT (2013)

+ Parfums de Marly Safanad EDP (2013)

+ Salvatore Ferragamo Vendemmia EDP (2013)

+ Kilian Smoke For The Soul EDP (2014)

+ Maison Martin Margiela Tea Escape EDT (2014)

+ Valentino Valentina Pink EDP (2015)

+ Atkinson’s Love In Idleness EDP (2015)

+ Lalique L’Insoumis EDT (2016)

+ Azzaro Wanted EDT (2016)

+ Giorgio Armani Privé Vert Malachite EDP (2016)

+ Lancôme Oud Bouquet EDP (2016)

+ Van Cleef & Arpels Bois Doré EDP (2017)

+ Issey Miyake L’Eau de Majeure d’Issey EDT (2017)

+ L’Artisan Parfumeur Au Bord de L’Eau Eau de Cologne (2017)

+ Penhaligon’s Belgravia Chypre EDP (2018)

+ Moschino Toy 2 EDP (2018)

+ Kenzo Flower by Kenzo Eau de Vie EDP (2019)

+ Bentley Momentum Unbreakable EDP (2021)

Fabrice Pellegrin - Kenzo Flower by Kenzo Eau de Vie EDP

Born in the spiritual heartland of French perfumery, Grasse, and from a family immersed in the industry, Fabrice Pellegrin paid his dues over several years.

His fine fragrance career commenced with Mäurer & Wirtz Eruption Man EDT in 1997, followed by perfume projects for brands such as Hermès and L’Occitane.

He’s also the man behind several Diptyque classics. His 2005 creation for the Paris-based niche brand, Do Son EDT, signalled he was a major talent to watch and was followed by Eau Duelle EDT (2010), Volutes EDT (2012), Eau Rose EDT (2012) and Oud Palao EDP (2012), among others.

Fabrice Pellegin - Diptyque Oud Palao EDP

So it’s no surprise Fabrice Pellegrin was awarded the 14th François Coty Prize by his peers in 2021. This prestigious accolade recognised his creative and technical expertise, which reflects his love of naturals. He also bagged Cosmétique Mag’s Perfumer of the Year 2017 and his creation for Roos & Roos, Mentha Religiosa EDP, won the Fragrance Foundation’s best independent perfume award in 2017.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Bentley Momentum Unbreakable EDP

It took several months for this interview to come together and although conducted via email, the Frenchman’s sincerity and humility are evident throughout in his thoughtful answers. He talks about the role of the perfumer, the beauty of simplicity and why naturals are such an integral part of his life.

IMAGE: Firmenich.

Congratulations for your 14th François Coty Prize. It’s not the first time you’ve been recognised for your skills. Do awards matter to you?

Receiving an award is always an honour and, of course, a pleasure. However, being rewarded by the public is far more important. When you compose a fragrance, you don’t think about what you’ll get in return, you think mainly about the pleasure you have in creating it.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Diptyque Florabellio EDT

How did your family background influence you to become a perfumer?

I was born in the hills around Grasse, my home and heart town, and where my family and my vocation come from. I am the son of a perfumer and the grandson of a jasmine-picking grandmother, and a grandfather who was a supplier of naturals.

IMAGE: Firmenich.

I have a very personal relationship with the flowers of Grasse. Rose centifolia and jasmine grandiflorum are two wonderful flowers I’ve always lived with, and they are essential to me today.

Where did you study? And what do you remember most?

I did all my studies in Grasse. I learned the job of being a perfumer at Robertet. There is no better education than learning on the job. The direct contact with professionals allows you to discover all their little secrets I would not have known otherwise.

Fabrice Pellegrin

GREAT LOVE: Fabrice Pellegrin with rose centifolia. IMAGE: Firmenich.

Tell us a bit about your fragrance debut. 

From 1989 to 1995, I concentrated on my classes, learning raw materials, chromatography, distillation, extraction and weighing. From 1995 to 2008, I was with Mane as a junior perfumer. I worked on shampoos, shower gels and soaps, which helped me develop a certain kind of technicality.

And then I won my first fine fragrance project, for Mäurer & Wirtz Eruption Man EDT. I owe this first success to the brand’s chief perfumer, Gerrit van Logchem, who gave me my chance. In 2008, I joined Firmenich, and I am still here today.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Mäurer & Wirtz Eruption Man EDT

IMAGE: Mäurer & Wirtz.

Compared to some “celebrity” perfumers, you seem to be more content keeping a low profile. Is that a correct assessment?

People often say I’m discreet. For me, the perfumer’s role is about being generous, exchanging, sharing and transmitting passion. Nothing more.

You’re Director of Natural Product Innovation at Firmenich. What does that position entail and why are you particularly fond of naturals?

I am from Grasse so, of course, I learned the art of perfume through natural products. Perfumers have always been used to working with natural ingredients, which bring richness and opulence to their creations. Beyond their purely olfactory qualities, natural ingredients also bring stories to perfumes and reinforce their poetic dimension.

“Beyond their purely olfactory qualities, natural ingredients also bring stories to perfumes and reinforce their poetic dimension” – Fabrice Pellegrin

I very much enjoy collaborating with local producers in Grasse and in other parts of the world. Through their savoir-faire, they allow us to offer the epitome of nature. My role as Director of Natural Product Innovation enables me to travel and meet our producers, for whom I have infinite respect in the creation process.

IMAGE: Firmenich.

In my role, I also work directly with our teams in Grasse on new techniques and processes. One good example of our innovation capabilities is our FirGood: a new process that allows a solvent-free treatment of fresh biomass, never before used in the natural ingredients industry. Its 100% natural extracts offer new olfactory signatures, such as FirGood pear, ginger or lily of the valley.

Another example is with the technique called Nature Print. In the latest Paco Rabanne fragrance, Fame – which I contributed to, alongside my colleague perfumers Dora Baghriche, Marie Salamagne and Alberto Morillas – we incorporated a Sicilian mango that has been processed in Grasse, using this technique. We captured the scents of the mango and the mango leaf, analysed them and reproduced them as close as possible to their original scent, using only natural ingredients.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Paco Rabanne Fame EDP

IMAGE: Paco Rabanne.

With your passion for naturals, what are your thoughts on synthetics?

The basis of my creation is natural, but I also use synthesis to facet the natural, to enrich it, to give it a new hue. Synthetic molecules allow me to create an opening towards new olfactory territories.

Synthesis is directly inspired by natural scents (rose, jasmine, etc). Chemistry does not invent anything; it only reproduces what already exists in nature. We must stop believing that natural and synthetic are opposed, when the subject is precisely how they balance each other in a formula.

“We must stop believing that natural and synthetic are opposed, when the subject is how they balance each other in a formula” – Fabrice Pellegrin

I am also a firm believer in the immense value of biotech products, such as Firmenich Clearwood or Dreamwood, which are derived from the fermentation of natural sugars. This union of science and nature to transform sugar into patchouli or sandalwood notes is truly fascinating.

BIOTECH VALUE: Fabrice Pellegrin used the Firmenich captive molecule Dreamwood in the creation of Bentley Momentum Unbreakable EDP. IMAGE: Firmenich.

Which perfume project did you find particularly challenging?

In fact, all projects are a challenge.

Jean Paul Gaultier Scandal EDP [2017] is one I remember well. The project lasted five years and required a lot of resilience and stamina. We started developing it with one company, BPI, then continued with Puig when they bought the brand.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Jean Paul Gaultier So Scandal! EDP

Another instance was Jo Malone Nashi Blossom Cologne [2016], because in perfumes, nashi blossom notes have often been worked in facets, rather than as the main olfactive idea. As a perfumer, I was inspired by this task to tell the story of this unique fruit. Exploring the whole ingredient, from fruit to petal to tree, was indeed a challenge.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Jo Malone Nashi Blossom Cologne

IMAGE: Jo Malone.

More recently, for Penhaligon’s The World According to Arthur EDP [2021], my challenge was to create a magnificent incense scent. To do that, I selected different qualities of incense. I was searching to obtain the most fresh, resinous and dazzling facet. In total, I selected three types of incense, whose olfactive profiles are complementary. Then I was able to unify the different treatments to create a scent that was coherent with my initial idea.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Penhaligon's The World According to Arthur EDP

IMAGE: Penhaligon’s.

Which perfume do you admire the most?

I have a strong admiration for Serge Lutens Féminité du Bois EDP. I love its structure – a very short, yet precise formula – the fact that it’s so recognizable and that it’s without a gender. We’re celebrating its 30th anniversary this year.

FABRICE PELLEGRIN FAVOURITE: The perfumer loves the preciseness and immediate recognisability of Serge Lutens Féminité du Bois EDP. IMAGE: Serge Lutens.

I also adore Miracle from Lancôme. Alberto [Morillas] knows how to work around musks in a sublime way. Among my favourites are also [Issey Miyake] L’Eau d’Issey, man and woman, [Davidoff] Cool Water and [Dior] Fahrenheit for their simplicity and singularity.

Roos & Roos Mentha Religiosa EDP is one of my favourite creations of yours. In what ways is it typical of your style?

Mints have interesting olfactory asperities. I like to use them as they come up as quite unexpected in fine fragrance creation, for instance in Eau de Minthé for Diptyque.

In Mentha Religiosa, I used a fresh and intense mint, accompanied by a dark incense blended with patchouli and vanilla. Both are two difficult notes to work with; mint being often associated with technical perfumery for oral care, and quite antagonistic. The equilibrium of this perfume lies in the unexpected combination between the tiny green leaf with a powdery, ambery drydown.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Roos & Roos Mentha Religiosa EDP

This is typical of my style in that I’m convinced there is beauty to be found in the simplest of ideas. In my fragrances I often try to create with simplicity – I always say that designing something simple is in fact very complex! What I like the most is crafting simple, direct fragrances that are well architectured.

“What I like the most is crafting simple, direct fragrances that are well architectured” – Fabrice Pellegrin 

For each perfume I create, I start with a raw idea, then I work on it for months, sometimes even years, to make it totally appealing.

One of your recent creations is the EDP version of the classic Diptyque Eau Rose. Apart from its concentration, what makes this release different from the original?

It is a more intense version, richer, in the generosity that this rose has and in the fruity elements, with accents of lychee, which give addiction to the perfume.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Diptyque Eau Rose EDT

It is also a soliflore but enhanced with woody, ambery, enveloping notes. I used an innovation, the FIRAD rose, because it brings a different patina to the products we have on the palette. This is one of the first times I have used it in a perfume.

Second, the olfactory profile. The FIRAD rose is upcycled because it comes from the distillation water of the rose that we recover and concentrate to keep only the aromatic molecules that remain in the water. It is less heavy, syrupy and fresher, fruitier. This freshness, this fruity tone brings a smile to the fragrance. This unique and responsible process is one that we master and develop in our laboratories in Grasse.

Fabrice Pellegrin - Diptyque Eau Rose EDT + Diptyque Eau Rose EDP

DIPTYQUE DUO: Fabrice Pellegrin created Eau Rose EDT and Eau Rose EDP for the Paris-based niche brand.

Does work dominate your life, or is there time for yourself?

Work is predominant in my life, but there’s time for my family, for sure. I live between two cities, Paris and Grasse, because this is the right balance for myself.

I use the time I have to transmit my knowledge, because I’m interested to know that future generations will continue this savoir-faire. Whenever I can, I talk to perfumery students.

I also have the privilege of sharing my passion with my sons, Florian and Romain, both set to become perfumers.

IMAGE: Firmenich.